Scenario: I'm doing a 5-cam shoot for a stage performance that includes a pit orchestra, singing, dancing, acting. Actors will have body packs -- I'm not sure about a house mic or pit mic for the orchestra. My plan was to record board out into one of my PD170 channels, and record house audio on the other channel + 4 other cams.
Question: An audio engineer who's done prior shows with me was not hired for this one. He would like to take multiple feeds from the board (body packs, orchestra [which he'd mic], house), record them on his hard drive, then re-mix after the show giving me a CD. He's done a decent job scaring me into believing that without his assistance the audio will be lousy, and that anything which goes wrong [e.g. they forget to bring up someone's body pack, so house audio would be better to insert] could be corrected by him to create a better production. Without him in this scenario, if there was a drop in the board feed, I would obviously bring up one (or more) of the camera mic's to compensate (they are "house" sound).
Would you pay extra out of the project budget to bring in the audio engineer in this scenario, or have you had good experiences using just camera mic's + board?
Question: An audio engineer who's done prior shows with me was not hired for this one. He would like to take multiple feeds from the board (body packs, orchestra [which he'd mic], house), record them on his hard drive, then re-mix after the show giving me a CD. He's done a decent job scaring me into believing that without his assistance the audio will be lousy, and that anything which goes wrong [e.g. they forget to bring up someone's body pack, so house audio would be better to insert] could be corrected by him to create a better production. Without him in this scenario, if there was a drop in the board feed, I would obviously bring up one (or more) of the camera mic's to compensate (they are "house" sound).
Would you pay extra out of the project budget to bring in the audio engineer in this scenario, or have you had good experiences using just camera mic's + board?
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Re: Is board+house sufficient?
Wed, December 5, 2007 - 6:06 PMI have used that combo a few times and have been burned. House audio is mixed for the acoustics of the room not for editing. The mics got blown out despite being padded. Cameras are not neccesarily placed where the sound is good especially when they are hand held and moving around.
I also have had successful recordings of live shows with that exact combo but it all depends on how important the shoot is and how much money you're willing to spend and especially how much time you're gonna have to monkey with the sound set up before you record. Now I try to have a couple of shotguns a good headset and a small mixer.
I doubt your cameras have SMPTE time code and gen lock so having a clap board helps with editing. -
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Re: Is board+house sufficient?
Mon, December 10, 2007 - 9:27 AMthanks for the feedback. my gig went well, but I'm glad that I've decided to let my sound guy take a matrix mix off the board and record separate channels, and then re-mix afterwards. Once I get to editing I'll be able to see how much better his mix is than the straight feed I otherwise got.
On the clap... I always find a good audio synch point and haven't really had alignment problems in the past... it's always a bit of a nuisance but once it's good, it's good.
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