Camera Reccomendations?

topic posted Wed, December 19, 2007 - 10:50 AM by  AzurA
I'm completely new to video production, and I admit that I've not endeavored to research on my own as yet. But I thought I"d inquire here for recommendations for a reasonably priced DV camera, that would be suitable for decent quality video for online content - demonstrations of techniques and products for example. How can I get the best quality without an enormous investment?

Thanks for any tips or info including suggestions as to where I can go online to learn more

Az
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  • Re: Camera Reccomendations?

    Wed, December 19, 2007 - 4:44 PM
    I would suggest looking at 3CCD Mini-DV or HDV cameras. I currently use a Panasonic DVX-100A for these types of applications, and a professional level Sony DC30 DVCAM for commercial/broadcast applications. Decide how important audio is to you first. If it is important, you definitely want a camera with XLR audio inputs for recording dialogue, etc. You will also want editing software that will enable you to render your finished product in multiple web-friendly formats, such as MPEG-2, MPEG-4, Flash, DivX, etc. to ensure the highest quality image to be seen by viewers. Check out the manufactuer sites first to view your options, then search for your choice on equipment sites or even Ebay. I've actually found alot of good deals on professional equipment there. Good luck.
    • Re: Camera Reccomendations?

      Wed, December 19, 2007 - 5:26 PM
      Hi Mark,

      Thanks very much for giving me a starting point from which to begin my investigation -- I'll check out your suggestions. eBay may be a likely candidate to purchase something once I know what I'm looking for. I bought my Nikon digital camera on eBay and got a great deal.

      I was thinking about audio earlier as well, wondering how that works (wonder if I would need separate mics, or is the mic in the camera? Seems like you'd want some kind of direct audio input) ...so I will keep that in mind -- I'll be weighing all considerations in terms of cost, particularly starting out.

      I do have Flash (I'm on a pc), and am just learning to use it. I think I can load video into it directly to edit, no? But I guess Flash isn't truly a video editing application per se. I'm not familiar with the other formats you've mentioned, so that will also give me something else to research on.

      Thanks again!
      • Re: Camera Reccomendations?

        Wed, December 19, 2007 - 11:06 PM
        Built-in camera audio stinks. Always. One major problem is that if you ever shoot hand-held, the camera body transmits every single touch and movement of your hands to the mic, which sounds terrible. Camera mics basically are good for ambient audio when you're shooting with a tripod -- that's it.

        Always use an external mic, at minimum a decent shotgun mic, or on occasion a lavalier. Don't skimp on sound, unless you plan to dub everything over or use your footage for music videos where spoken sound doesn't matter. On that note, you'll want a camera that supports external mics, preferably one with XLR inputs.

        Good audio makes even lackluster video watchable. Bad audio makes even well-shot video unwatchable.

        Buying a camera on eBay is strictly caveat emptor territory. I recommend that you buy a camera from a reliable dealer (B&H is great) who will provide you with reliable advice, refund your money if there is a problem, and who will give you extended warranty coverage if desired.

        And if you try to edit with Flash, you'll just make the Baby Jesus cry. Please get a real editing app, and save yourself -- and those you turn to for advice like us -- the extra trouble. I can't recommend Final Cut enough.
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          Re: Camera Reccomendations?

          Thu, December 20, 2007 - 12:31 AM
          All that plus tax. On a Mac, I like Final Cut or even iMovie if you're not doing anything fancy and want a quicker learning curve. On a PC, Premiere. I hear good things about Vegas .... I can save ya the time of fussin' with Windows Movie Maker.


          As much as I'm tired of dealing with magnetic tape (ie MiniDV, DVCam, DVPro) in all it's glorious unreliability, I'd avoid DVD based cameras, they're applying compression that will complicate editing. Not sure if hard-disk based cameras have this issue?
          • Re: Camera Reccomendations?

            Thu, December 20, 2007 - 5:38 AM
            Hard Disk Drive cameras DO have the same problems as DVD based cameras. If you have the money, I'd recommend the Panasonic HVX200, which is the Hi-Def version of the DVX100. It not only shoots on miniDV, but on solid state P2 cards which can be directly placed into a slot on your laptop. Completely reusable memory card. The camera also has under and over cranking abilities and shoots in 24p mode for film-like resolution. Can't beat it. IMHO.
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              Re: Camera Reccomendations?

              Thu, December 20, 2007 - 2:54 PM
              While the HVX200 is a great camera, if you are going to shoot long format, ie documentary...the fact that it does not shoot hi-def to tape can be an issue. We often go on trips and come back with 10-15 hours of tape. This would be a logistical nightmare with teh P2 cards, as good as the quality is. But...if that isn't an issue, it's a wonderful camera.
        • Re: Camera Reccomendations?

          Sat, December 22, 2007 - 7:41 AM
          Copy that on the audio, thanks for your comments on that -- rather as I imagined, the built in mic would be of poor quality. And I've got the idea now, that I need something more than Flash!
      • Re: Camera Reccomendations?

        Thu, December 20, 2007 - 6:02 AM
        One thing people might overlook with re: to Ebay is that there ALOT of companies that deal strictly with professional A/V equipment that put their overstock/overuns on the site for sell at a set price. Th3ey are very reputable dealers and some offer buy back guarantees, and if the equipment is new-in-box the manufactuer warranties will always apply as well. Going this route, I have never had any problems. B&h is a great company, if you want to spend 20% more than what most other retailers will charge for the same camera. They have everything, so it's a good place to research a purchase. They do have monthly discount deals, usually on discontinued items. You will definitely want external mic(s), preferably both wireless and wired for different situations, and XLR inputs on the camera
        Since you are already on a PC, check the new SpeedEdit software by NewTek. It is very easy to use, handles multiple video formats within the same timeline (avi,wmv,mpeg,flash,mov,mjpeg,pal,ntsc,hd,hdv,sd), renders faster than any other software on the market to any format/resolution you will need, includes 1000's of transitions and CG/graphics capability, and only costs $500 for the software. There are also additional plug-ins available for full motion 3d graphics/text as well (LightWave). You may need to upgrade your current system a little bit to optimize, but in my opinion this program on the right system blows FCP out of the water. I use it on broadcast video projects all the time without waiting around half of my day for renders.
  • Re: Camera Reccomendations?

    Sat, December 22, 2007 - 7:50 AM
    Well guys, thank you all for your input, I really underestimated how much there could be to know about cameras, and the various accessories that will be required. In looking up some of your suggestions online, it's all clear as mud! Guess I'll take a trip to a local retailer, maybe I'll rent a camera and try it out, now that I am over the shock that doing my own video will a bit of a project, not to mention the investment. But that may still be preferable to hiring someone to do it for me, which is definitely not in my budget at this time. And over time, I'd like to be able to do a fair number of these short videos.

    I'll let you all how it goes - and maybe I'll have a few intelligent questions down the line, once I have a clue what I'm doing :-)

    Thanks again,
    Az
    • Re: Camera Reccomendations?

      Sat, December 22, 2007 - 6:55 PM
      Lots of great video production info here (not just about Final Cut, though it seems that way at first glance) but about production in general. A great place to do some research and get a better idea about what you're doing.

      kenstone.net/fcp_homepag...e_index.html

      And be sure to look at the hardware page as well:

      kenstone.net/fcp_homepag...reviews.html
      • Re: Camera Reccomendations?

        Sun, December 23, 2007 - 7:04 AM
        Oh my goodness! Well thanks Allen - looks like some great stuff - although I admit, a little hard to know where to begin. I think I'll be making a trip to the bookstore as well as the video equipment retailer -- 'video production for dummies' comes to mind! Seriously, while online tutorials are great, I think getting 1 or 2 good general references would be helpful. ...and maybe a SpeedEdit Manual? There's probably a better choice than the dummy book however - any suggestions for general reference books on video production??

        Thanks again.

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